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he was very constructive. >> where do you think we come out on the fiscal cliff? are you expecting the economy to go over the fiscal cliff and see these taxes go high hadder and spending cuts take effect? >> my personal view is i'm still optimistic. i think the conversation has been constructive since. do we have a solution on the table yet? no. but i'm optimistic we'll get to a framework. >> why? >> there's been enough dialogue. there's been movement. everyone seems to recognize the problem. everybody realizes there has to be a revenue component, spend component, entitlement reform component. for us, the business community and all the ceos, certainty is the greatest stimulus for us. >> do you support tax rates going higher? >> me personally, as an individual, more importantly the business community, which i'm part of. we support something inclusive. if rates were higher in a videocasset vacuum, i'm not sure we'd be supportive of that. we have to make sure the consumers, those who spends a lot of the dollars, the middle class, are protected in this exercise. >> i
he was very constructive. >> where do you think we come out on the fiscal cliff? are you expecting the economy to go over the fiscal cliff and see these taxes go high hadder and spending cuts take effect? >> my personal view is i'm still optimistic. i think the conversation has been constructive since. do we have a solution on the table yet? no. but i'm optimistic we'll get to a framework. >> why? >> there's been enough dialogue. there's been movement. everyone seems to...
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hopefully that momentum will continue not just on the fiscal cliff in the coming weeks but issues like the start-up act 2.0 in the coming months. >> gentlemen, look good. steve and scott, come back and let us know how it went in cowboy stadium. >>> google plans to start charging small businesses for its free services like e-mail and google docs. will consumers like you be next? >>> and from 50 stradz of grshaf gray to 5,000 shades of green. employees at random house getting a big stocking stuffer this season. we'll explain. ears, ameriprise financial has worked for their clients' futures. helping millions of americans retire on their terms. when they want. where they want. doing what they want. ameriprise. the strength of a leader in retirement planning. the heart of 10,000 advisors working with you one-to-one. together for your future. ♪ >>> stock of the day and certainly the stock of the week has been apple. its worst week in two years, down now $15 a share today at $531.64. about $50 billion in market value sliced off of apple this week alone. >>> time for the power rundown. with
hopefully that momentum will continue not just on the fiscal cliff in the coming weeks but issues like the start-up act 2.0 in the coming months. >> gentlemen, look good. steve and scott, come back and let us know how it went in cowboy stadium. >>> google plans to start charging small businesses for its free services like e-mail and google docs. will consumers like you be next? >>> and from 50 stradz of grshaf gray to 5,000 shades of green. employees at random house...
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. >> regardless of how fiscal cliff negotiations work out, for the first time ever, the irs will impose a new income surtax on all investment gains including your home. 159 pages of rules for one tax. this cannot be good. here now is the author of the book democracy denied. 159 pages. am i right it is going to include gains on your home? in fact this rule looks like it is going to cover more ground than originally thought. this surtax? >> well, you still have an exclusion on the tail of a primary residence. above that, it would be subject to this surtax. independent income. the rules are surrising. all rental income, you are going to have to pay the surtax on that rental income. depending on what happens with fiscal inclusive, we could be looking at 43.4%. all of this stuff, income is going to go up. there is a 0.9% payroll tax for people above $250,000. explain this to me. these investments aren't they already tax ee eed once? when you put it into corporate assets, you put it into corporate stock. this is an additional layer of tax on already taxed income. to worsen that, worsens that
. >> regardless of how fiscal cliff negotiations work out, for the first time ever, the irs will impose a new income surtax on all investment gains including your home. 159 pages of rules for one tax. this cannot be good. here now is the author of the book democracy denied. 159 pages. am i right it is going to include gains on your home? in fact this rule looks like it is going to cover more ground than originally thought. this surtax? >> well, you still have an exclusion on the...
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number one, he was questioned persistently about the fiscal cliff and had to come out and say what he said before we don't have the tools to deal with it if we go over it. that was a approximate stocks started moving down and secondly, the 6.5% unemployment rate. that's got a lot of people talking down here that we may be closer to that than a lot of people think. >> bob, that's only because people are leaving the workforce. that's how we're going to get there. if everybody decides to stop looking for work and stay home and watch soap operas then we'd have an unemployment rate of zero. >> that could be a factor in their decision making, i'm sure it will be, but i'm using the numbers actually out there, 6.5%. that number may be hit a little bit sooner. >> he said he was not going to stick to that if people keep leaving the workforce. >> right, just a guidepost, not a hard target. >> stephanie or randy, you know, another market that moved today was gold. >> yeah. >> moved higher after the fed's announcement. there are those who feel as they keep the rates this low for the foreseeable fu
number one, he was questioned persistently about the fiscal cliff and had to come out and say what he said before we don't have the tools to deal with it if we go over it. that was a approximate stocks started moving down and secondly, the 6.5% unemployment rate. that's got a lot of people talking down here that we may be closer to that than a lot of people think. >> bob, that's only because people are leaving the workforce. that's how we're going to get there. if everybody decides to...
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fiscal cliff face-off coming to an end. the president and the speaker holding a meeting at the white house this weekend. we are live in washington with the latest. what it all could mean for the che. whether or not we go over the cliff could have a major impact on the markets in 2013. barclays coming out with its outlook. we'll talk to their first strategist. weeks away from christmas but today is the busiest day actually i think in corporate history for fedex. millions of deliveries being processed. we'll take you live to a fedex center as millions of dollars, nothing to laugh about. we'll introduce you to the entrepreneur who has managed to make big money making people laugh with his company cheeseburger. that's coming up later this hour. we'll start in washington. president obama, speaker boehner met face-to-face over the weekend to talk some fiscal cliff. our john harwood is live at the white house with more on that. john, good morning. >> good morning, carl. you know the president's been very clear since the election t
fiscal cliff face-off coming to an end. the president and the speaker holding a meeting at the white house this weekend. we are live in washington with the latest. what it all could mean for the che. whether or not we go over the cliff could have a major impact on the markets in 2013. barclays coming out with its outlook. we'll talk to their first strategist. weeks away from christmas but today is the busiest day actually i think in corporate history for fedex. millions of deliveries being...
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towards the proverbial fiscal cliff. >> let's hope not. and after the bell, the fiscal cliff debate takes a dark turn to the dreaded death tax. that's right. not even the grim reaper can escape the fiscal cliff. [ male announcer ] at scottrade, we believe the more you know, the better you trade. so we have ongoing webinars and interactive learning, plus, in-branch seminars at over 500 locations, where our dedicated support teams help you know more so your money can do more. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. our teams have the information you want when you need it. it's another reason more investors are saying... [ all ] i'm with scottrade. another day where the markets are waiting for some clear sign on something. whether it's the fiscal cliff, the fed meeting. what are the proceed right now? >> we've got bob from s&p capital iq. steven wood and gordon shallop. great to have you all on the show. you normally get the priority of speaking first. what are you doing right now? >> right now we're anticipating for
towards the proverbial fiscal cliff. >> let's hope not. and after the bell, the fiscal cliff debate takes a dark turn to the dreaded death tax. that's right. not even the grim reaper can escape the fiscal cliff. [ male announcer ] at scottrade, we believe the more you know, the better you trade. so we have ongoing webinars and interactive learning, plus, in-branch seminars at over 500 locations, where our dedicated support teams help you know more so your money can do more. [ rodger ] at...
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weeks partly because of the fiscal cliff. people who already train and who work out regularly, you're one of the ultimate kind of discretionary expenditures, of those things that people might cut back on going into christmas. >> i think it's an unknown, i won't say it worries us, i think we have a very core guest and i think that gives me a lot of confidence in the back half of the quarter is the very strong sales that we have seen starting in october through november, we have seen a great acceleration so we know that we're a very giftable item and we would expect to see strong gift card redemption sales and so i think there's a lot of things that give us confidence that we can have a great quarter. >> christine, how big can men's be. i'm trying to figure out if you can be like nike. >> i think from there's a huge market still that we're actually creating in the athletic technical wear space as well as the technical street, which is a very big market and without putting a time frame on it, we definitely see ourselves with a b
weeks partly because of the fiscal cliff. people who already train and who work out regularly, you're one of the ultimate kind of discretionary expenditures, of those things that people might cut back on going into christmas. >> i think it's an unknown, i won't say it worries us, i think we have a very core guest and i think that gives me a lot of confidence in the back half of the quarter is the very strong sales that we have seen starting in october through november, we have seen a...
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but how about the fiscal cliff? we're going to show you the real impact on americans' wallets and some stats to make you go -- hmm. apple slammed but the dow doesn't care. the indexes are higher as some break-away republicans are giving investors hope that a deal will get done. but will apple win the online music battle? >>> why pandora is being boxed out today. >>>ed unintended consequences of all these one-time dividends. mandy's off today so let's welcome in courtney reagan. >> thank you very much, brian. >>> blue chips are ruling the roost on wall street today. the dow bouncing back from morning loss to post triple digit gains. travelers, caterpillar and chevron accounting for a big chunk of that advance. >>> apple having its worst day in four months. pushing the nasdaq into negative territory. >>> bob, apple is lower than 4% -- we're going to toss it back to brian. >> courtney, hold your horses. >>> but first we've got to get a big development on the fiscal cliff negotiations. at this point we are still just a
but how about the fiscal cliff? we're going to show you the real impact on americans' wallets and some stats to make you go -- hmm. apple slammed but the dow doesn't care. the indexes are higher as some break-away republicans are giving investors hope that a deal will get done. but will apple win the online music battle? >>> why pandora is being boxed out today. >>>ed unintended consequences of all these one-time dividends. mandy's off today so let's welcome in courtney...
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when we come back, deal making in a post-fiscal cliff world. faber has an exclusive interview with the ceo of investment bank moelis and company. more in just a moment. >> announcer: the holiday season is here and that means lots and lots of photos with a certain someone. now you can display it in style with a picture frame signed by the entire "squawk on the street" gang. if you can guess friday's nonfarm jobs number it's all yours. tweet your guess and don't forget hash tag nail the number. you have to be at least 18 years of age to enter. sorry, kid. for all of the official rules and details, go to cnbc.com. you have until 8:29 a.m. eastern this friday morning. good luck and say cheese. melons!!! oh yeah!! well that was uncalled for. folks who save hundreds of dollars switching to geico sure are happy. how happy, ronny? happier than gallagher at a farmers' market. get happy. get geico. chances are, you're not made of money, so don't overpay for motorcycle insurance. geico, see how much you could save. ♪ you can stay in and like something..
when we come back, deal making in a post-fiscal cliff world. faber has an exclusive interview with the ceo of investment bank moelis and company. more in just a moment. >> announcer: the holiday season is here and that means lots and lots of photos with a certain someone. now you can display it in style with a picture frame signed by the entire "squawk on the street" gang. if you can guess friday's nonfarm jobs number it's all yours. tweet your guess and don't forget hash tag...
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coming out today in a report, saying that the fiscal cliff could reverse u.s. home price improvements. so, that sees like a lot of risk built into the sector here. >> yeah, if you look at the sector, evaluation wise -- hd and lowe's price to earnings ratio are above where they were during the peak of the housing bubble. that's a lot of hammers that you have to sell here. i'm short. that's the way to play it. >> there's a rise which has just within phenomenal and then there's the actual housing market which has had a nice bump but nowhere near what we've seen in the equities, so, i think we could see both, them come down and the housing bottom still continuing and finding strength. >> yeah, i'd say, you know, 1.8 times book, these guys are expensive. people, you know, if you look, they have underperformed the s&p in this kind of post-election, after we troughed, this run back up 5%. they are really underperformed. i think there's already rotation there and people recognize these things are pricey. >> let's move onto our next trade, get some unusual activity in s
coming out today in a report, saying that the fiscal cliff could reverse u.s. home price improvements. so, that sees like a lot of risk built into the sector here. >> yeah, if you look at the sector, evaluation wise -- hd and lowe's price to earnings ratio are above where they were during the peak of the housing bubble. that's a lot of hammers that you have to sell here. i'm short. that's the way to play it. >> there's a rise which has just within phenomenal and then there's the...
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is the fiscal cliff end game finally approaching? joining us now is ben white, politico's chief economic correspondent. ben, maybe it's good news they didn't come out and say, we're so far apart. >> it's a good sign. any time that boehner doesn't come out and say, we're nowhere, that's good. these things are going to get done in private. both sides need to leap off a bridge here. the republicans need to some how figure out how they're going to let the top rates go up. democrats need to swallow some changes to entitlement programs, raising the retirement age or changes. the less we hear, the better, in the next few days on the negotiations. as soon as you hear leaks saying these guys are too far apart, that's the problem. if we hear nothing, that's actually pretty good. >> are we starting to see the beginning of the gop move into the center with the comments over the weekend from senator corker and this morning, letting the tax rates go higher so the shift can be, the time shift can be spent on entitlements. >> the republicans some ho
is the fiscal cliff end game finally approaching? joining us now is ben white, politico's chief economic correspondent. ben, maybe it's good news they didn't come out and say, we're so far apart. >> it's a good sign. any time that boehner doesn't come out and say, we're nowhere, that's good. these things are going to get done in private. both sides need to leap off a bridge here. the republicans need to some how figure out how they're going to let the top rates go up. democrats need to...
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number one first is the fiscal cliff. and i think the market itself is expecting, as josh had said, that there will be some form of a grand compromise coming. that is a little bit concerning because i think everyone really is treating it with not so much cautiousness. and the vulnerability to the down side, is pretty significant if we fail to compromise. on ben bernanke and his ability to once again give the market what it was supposed to want -- >> and we'll talk more about that later. >> -- and we'll get into that, but let me say this and i'll walk you through it later. i think the message of the federal reserve since the beginning of this year should not be listened to by investors. >> steph, so how do you try and navigate the stock market, again, when we're getting these comments out of washington, and as our own eamon javers reports, perhaps things have taken a small step back in negotiations? >> i think it's interesting we're only down 29 points on the dow. that's number one. and this is just what negotiations are,
number one first is the fiscal cliff. and i think the market itself is expecting, as josh had said, that there will be some form of a grand compromise coming. that is a little bit concerning because i think everyone really is treating it with not so much cautiousness. and the vulnerability to the down side, is pretty significant if we fail to compromise. on ben bernanke and his ability to once again give the market what it was supposed to want -- >> and we'll talk more about that later....
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here he is. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and our jobs, the white house has wasted another week. you know, eight days ago secretary geithner came here to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that the president campaigned on. it had more stimulus spending than it had in cuts. and an indefinite, infinite increase in the debt limit like forever. four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then there's been no counteroffer from the white house. instead reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow-walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. instead of reforming the tax code and cutting spending, the president wants to raise tax rates. but even if the president got the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we would continue to see trillion-dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. listen. washington's got a spending problem, not a revenue problem. if the president doesn't agree with our proposal, i believe that he's got an
here he is. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and our jobs, the white house has wasted another week. you know, eight days ago secretary geithner came here to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that the president campaigned on. it had more stimulus spending than it had in cuts. and an indefinite, infinite increase in the debt limit like forever. four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of...
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step up in the fiscal cliff negotiations. the democratic leadership is preparing to respond. we will bring you comments from senators harry reid and dick durbin. that is live, and that is coming up. >>> the "cnbc realtime exchange market snapshot" is brought to you by interactive brokers. >>> it is time for another capital markets op-ed. buybacks. >> you guys covered this yesterday at great length. i hoped to look at some of the newspapers today, "the wall street journal" was the only newspaper somewhat critical about this. look, warren buffett will be buying back stocks. he was never going to buy back stock or split the stock. he was never going to put the stock in the s&p 500. if this is not hypocritical to the maximum level -- no, no, no. he has changed. >> oh, a long time ago. >> a long time ago. never believed in buybacks. never would split a stock into the "b" shares and would never go into the s&p 500. you don't want closet indexes owning the name. that's some of the hypocrisy. but given the fact that he took out one o
step up in the fiscal cliff negotiations. the democratic leadership is preparing to respond. we will bring you comments from senators harry reid and dick durbin. that is live, and that is coming up. >>> the "cnbc realtime exchange market snapshot" is brought to you by interactive brokers. >>> it is time for another capital markets op-ed. buybacks. >> you guys covered this yesterday at great length. i hoped to look at some of the newspapers today, "the wall...
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will a fiscal cliff deal be done in time? why don't you register your opinion. finance.cnbc. cast your vote. results will come up later on "power lunch." sue. >> we have a triple digit rally on the floor of the new york stock exchange with the dow jones industrial just off the highs of the trading session. we're up 109 points on the dow despite the gridlock in washington. nasdaq is up 41 points and s&p 500 is up 13 points. all three of those averages moving back above their 50-day moving average. first time we've seen that since october. trader from cnbc, and ceo of destination wealth management. ken y, i'm going to start with you. you were champing at the bit listening to the interview that was done in washington. why is this market up triple digits? is it up because they think there is a deal or isn't a deal? >> very interesting. i'm beginning to think the market is rallying because there is no deal, we're going over this cliff. let's not forget, it was a bipartisan committee that couldn't come to an agreement which created the situation we're in. that senator said one side
will a fiscal cliff deal be done in time? why don't you register your opinion. finance.cnbc. cast your vote. results will come up later on "power lunch." sue. >> we have a triple digit rally on the floor of the new york stock exchange with the dow jones industrial just off the highs of the trading session. we're up 109 points on the dow despite the gridlock in washington. nasdaq is up 41 points and s&p 500 is up 13 points. all three of those averages moving back above their...
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investors waiting to see what comes out of the fiscal cliff negotiations and in europe, a choppy start to the trading day. investors are waiting for the results of greece's bond buyback program occurs. joe has some of the big corporate news and this one is actually a global corporate story. >> hsbc. we're talking about paying $1.9 billion in the money lawnering lapses. a brirchb lender admitting to a breakdown of controls, in a statement announcing a deferred payment. yesterday standard chartered agreed to pay $27 million agreeing that it violates sanctions against iran and two other international companies. >> if you're an international bank and you prael without getting into this kind of trouble? >> no. >> can you actually operate without money laundering? >> i'm just saying, if you're going to be in business in all these types of markets, isn't this going to happen? >> aren't there sxwier countries that would be probably -- that it would stead if you don't want any business tale. >> was there a fascination in this country about whether you want to indict the whole institution or wha
investors waiting to see what comes out of the fiscal cliff negotiations and in europe, a choppy start to the trading day. investors are waiting for the results of greece's bond buyback program occurs. joe has some of the big corporate news and this one is actually a global corporate story. >> hsbc. we're talking about paying $1.9 billion in the money lawnering lapses. a brirchb lender admitting to a breakdown of controls, in a statement announcing a deferred payment. yesterday standard...
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it's coming under pressure as part of a broader fiscal cliff deal. there's an article on the front page of today's "wall street journal" that highlights other ways people are trying to take advantage of the certainty over the final few weeks of 2012. some of the examples they cite are people said to be accelerating large medical expenses for this year and selling appreciated stock in some cases even prepaying their mortgages so they can make sure they get the mortgage interest deduction. and, bob, you think -- for a lot of people that won't matter? >> you have the amt. so if you take excessive deductions, they just disappear. which is one of the things about all of this about limiting these deductions which is kind of silly because the amt does it in the aggregate. and of course the amt is grabbing more and more people and it's one of the things they want to reform, but if they reform it, they have to raise taxes someplace else. so it's confusing. >> but that's the worst part of it, a simpler tax code that someone could actually understand and now ho
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fiscal cliff or the fiscal abyss? >> for both. >> for both. >> so that a down payment -- a compromise down payment on approximately $4 trillion. i think when you pull it apart, you have about a trillion dollars in discretionary spending that has mostly been agreed upon and you have taxes and the entitlements, the mandatory. >> the entitlements are the sticking point. whoa. did you see that? you think that's funny? >> set that up for you. >> you think that's funny, mac? you do this? look at this. this is booby trapped, man. it won't stay up. which can really be a problem. you can laugh at that. it's okay. nobody's watching. it's 6:00 a.m. that got you going. >> when you look through, i guess the devil is in the details in terms of what you're looking at in spending, cuts, entitlement cuts and with the tax increases, and you're right, both sides have put a plan on the table. they're pretty far apart, but at least now you know there's some framework for how you get to the middle. what do you think, 1.2 trillion in tax in
fiscal cliff or the fiscal abyss? >> for both. >> for both. >> so that a down payment -- a compromise down payment on approximately $4 trillion. i think when you pull it apart, you have about a trillion dollars in discretionary spending that has mostly been agreed upon and you have taxes and the entitlements, the mandatory. >> the entitlements are the sticking point. whoa. did you see that? you think that's funny? >> set that up for you. >> you think that's...
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so you -- you think -- so now we're back to the fiscal cliff. you think there is no deal coming? or you think we're getting a baby deal? >> i think you're getting a baby deal. and i think without structural. true structural reform i don't think you're going to have the types of risk taking on the part of businesses that would generate real growth. and i think there is a yawning gap between business confidence and consumer confidence right now. capital spending is already weakened. but consumer confidence still remains relatively high. >> when does it hit the consumer? >> i think really in the first quarter. because especially if the payroll tax cut is not extended, which it seems very possible, that is a very big deal. i also think you really have to watch to see whether the debt ceiling is actually extended. and if the debt ceiling is not extended as part of this deal, that's also a very, very negative development, because it means we're going to have another couple of months of wrangling. >> jason. thank you for your -- >> thank you. >> sorry to push you on this. >> not a probl
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. >>> still to come, one of the most cited voices since the fiscal cliff, erskine bowles. he he loves the rise above. first, we're going to head to the futures pits in chicago and see which stories are most likely to drive today's trading. as we head to break, some of santa's friends dawned swimsuits this weekend to take part in the santa claus run in budapest, hungary. they did their best to keep moving in below freezing temperatures. to the best vacation spot on earth. (all) the gulf! it doesn't matter which of our great states folks visit. mississippi, alabama, louisiana or florida, they're gonna love it. shaul, your alabama hospitality is incredible. thanks, karen. love your mississippi outdoors. i vote for your florida beaches, dawn. bill, this louisiana seafood is delicious. we're having such a great year on the gulf, we've decided to put aside our rivalry. now is the perfect time to visit anyone of our states. the beaches and waters couldn't be more beautiful. take a boat ride, go fishing or just lay in the sun. we've got coastline to explore and wildlife to photogr
. >>> still to come, one of the most cited voices since the fiscal cliff, erskine bowles. he he loves the rise above. first, we're going to head to the futures pits in chicago and see which stories are most likely to drive today's trading. as we head to break, some of santa's friends dawned swimsuits this weekend to take part in the santa claus run in budapest, hungary. they did their best to keep moving in below freezing temperatures. to the best vacation spot on earth. (all) the...